other conservatives from the south, out west. people that grew up in a hunting culture, where you walk around the gun room, you sat at night with cases around, with fathers that taught you how to use guns safely, those are the people that will sway this debate. >> here's what i will say about bloomberg that there is -- now, because of how much time he's served, real data in new york city, as to what he has been able to do, that shows certain important numbers going down. he'll talk more about that when he comes on the show. >> understand what i'm -- >> i know. >> understand what i'm saying about mike. mike has been out front on this for a very long time. i'm just talking about willie's concern and the concern of all of us that some law abiding nra members are not going to be moved and swayed by what michael bloomberg says, whereas a guy like joe manchin that grew up in this culture, that understands this culture. >> yeah. >> will be able to say, hey, listen, here's the deal. they're not coming for our guns. i'll be the first to s